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  1. Daniel Trujillo
    Feb 23 - 9:14 am

    Judy:
    I found the Goldilocks analogy very illustrative of your point. A very clear way of taking on the subject, indeed.
    I have often wondered as to the relation between high engagement on Twitter, and low awareness, and therefore low engagement, on LinkedIn. It seems to me that SM engagement and interaction are still largely perceived as mere friendship seekers rather than as alternate platforms of meaningful participation. On Twitter you can only go so far, and on LinkedIn is where you actually have the time and means to contribute to a discussion. Most people are not very prone to take part on discussions, and I find that strange seeing as SM is indeed about interacting.
    Now, on the matter of PR being seen as publicity, I believe this has much to do with the fact that some companies, or individuals as you well mention it, are seeing PR channels as advertising ones. Would you agree?
    This has been fun to read. Cheers.
    Daniel Trujillo.

    • Judy Gombita
      Feb 23 - 4:16 pm

      Thank you for weighing in, Daniel. When I attended Social Media Week Toronto one of
      my objectives was to get a handle on the different platforms available to us. People are pretty much in agreement that Twitter is primarily a real-time communication tool and that the other tools lent themselves more to engagement. Let’s face it—engagement is a lot more work. That’s why I think people are visible on Twitter a lot more than the other major vehicles.

      Advertising and marketing people definitely see social media as promotional vehicles. That
      was to my point—publicists fit closer to marketing PR than they do to reputation, value and relationship building. And I’m not saying being a publicist is bad or wrong; simply that it is a much narrower role, with specific objectives. Like trying to get people to buy a book or go to a certain film. But if there’s an organizational upheaval or crisis, likely it’s not the
      publicists answering the questions. It’s the PR representative.

      • Heather Yaxley
        Feb 24 - 6:26 am

         Nice post Judy.  Specifically on this comment though, do you think it is wise to necessarily separate out promotion from reputation?  Aren’t the two very closely interlinked?  Likewise, not sure what Daniel means by PR and advertising channels (the old distinction between earned and paid is fast disappearing).  Surely like the telephone, people use social media for all sorts of different purposes.  Much as a call (or SM exchange) with a CEO, PR practitioner, sales rep or customer relations exec can turn out to be good/bad publicity and impact positively or negatively on reputation.  The real art (and science) is in understanding what is appropriate at the specific time with particular people.  Much like the reference to humour (or humor) :-)  

        • Judy Gombita
          Feb 24 - 7:24 am

          I’m not really understanding what you mean, Heather. In my response to Daniel I used the examples of “book” or “film” publicists. As inanimate things, I’m not sure “reputation” would come into play overly much. The QUALITY of the book or film is another thing. I guess someone who was really good at publicity would be able to “sell” a lesser-quality book or film, based on the writer or director/producer/actors’ reputation(s).

          Maybe you are defining a publicist different from me?

          • Heather Yaxley
            Feb 24 - 8:24 am

            Are you saying that publicists seek publicity and are involved in promotional activities?  But that is all they do?  I would agree with that – but see that a lot of PR practitioners also seek publicity to promote a particular idea, reputation, policy or indeed products (books, cars, films, blogs…).  But, this is to my mind integrated – so that they are able to utilise promotional skills beyond supporting a sales objective. 

            Interestingly if we take someone like Max Clifford in the UK – who built his reputation as a publicist – he is now pitching himself (promoting?) as a crisis expert.  Is he a role model?  Is he a PR practitioner?  Both debatable – but I reckon his work is as much about protecting reputation as generating publicity these days.

          • Judy Gombita
            Feb 24 - 8:29 am

            The use of the term “publicist” plays a very small part in this Profile Byte, Heather. I’m not really “saying” anything.

            So, do I take it to mean that you are offering up Max Clifford as a self-proclaimed “publicist” who has the “just right” amount of character (or personality) and fly zone on social media’s radar?

          • Heather Yaxley
            Feb 25 - 12:56 pm

            I was responding to the thread of comments rather than the original post.  Hence my reference to Max Clifford as a publicist was in the context that people like him don’t simply promote goods as you had used as an example.  

            Clifford’s reputation (character/personality) is so well known that he has little need to flypast himself in social media – and his clients primarily focus on his strengths in the traditional media sense.  So no, I’m not holding him up as an example in respect of the post itself, but illustrating a point I made in the thread of embedded responses.  

          • Judy Gombita
            Feb 26 - 11:47 am

            Understood. But this column is specifically about public relations in the social media realm. That is my understood part of the mandate from Neal Schaffer.

            Ergo, the example of Clifford would not qualify, per my request. Except as a PR person who has “too little” profile/personality/character in social media.

            I recognize you were responding to the comment thread, as well as to the fact that exploring PR as a primarily “promotional” role is your current area of study (for the book chapter). But it’s not the focus of this particular column, so sorry if my responses don’t suit your purpose. :-)

  2. Arthur Huynh
    Feb 23 - 10:36 am

    I think if you can deliver enough relevant information in your community engagement and mix in humor you’re golden. (Granted the humor is executed well of course.)

    • Judy Gombita
      Feb 23 - 4:17 pm

      Hello Arthur—thank you for stopping by. As someone who thoroughly enjoys humour in
      the “just right” amounts, I hear you. Now when I hear the word “community engagement,” I’m thinking more of the dedicated person or people interacting with brand champion consumers on a company’s Facebook page.That’s not really the role I’m focusing on here. To put it into perspective, think of the PR person speaking for an elected representative or a financial institution. There can be some personality and humour…but probably the
      “just right” amount is less than the community manager in the Harley Davidson or Doritos Facebook page. Do you see what I’m saying?

      And I would really appreciate hearing your “golden” (great play on my analogy) examples of folks doing it right.

  3. Joel Don
    Feb 23 - 12:15 pm

    Nicely done and thanks for the insights.  You speak to the need for balance; can’t argue with that.  Plus companies need to strategically map out the way their social business image is promoted, and plan for the many personalities that will play into the process, today and in the future. 

    • Judy Gombita
      Feb 23 - 4:21 pm

      Thanks, Joel. Given that your earlier post (which I linked to) was part of my inspiration, I’m delighted you found it insightful.

      I’m 100 per cent in agreement with your pointing out the need for “many personalities.” After all, I’m an advocate for leading in social media, not “owning” it. Certainly not working alone or in isolation from other PR representatives or organizational departments—silos are bad. Does part of your PR counsel on social media initiative to clients include allowing for diversity, whilst still ensuring the correct balance and gravitas when it comes to a social business’ image? I know, for example, that the Stratford Festival’s Lisa Middlteton has quite a few direct reports who have their own Twitter accounts that reference their employer, but also stay on message for most of their tweets.

  4. Tonimuzi
    Feb 27 - 7:56 am

    Judy. at a certain point you say:
    Although in today’s optimal integrated communication environment, most companies would benefit from injecting more profile and character into the corporate DNA, in order to enhance organizational public relations fly zones on social media’s busy radar.

    Yes but this is not a policy issue, it is
    a situational one.

    In general, I believe sober is the
    best, but agree that sometime this is not tenable.

    Yet, beware of the consequences! What happens more than often
    (as far as I can tell) is that once corporate leaderships with pr’s as pushers),
    get used to visibility it is a drug that sticks and yearns for more… if
    negative they spend out of proportion to turn positive or neutral, if
    positive they want more and more.

    In the early eighties I helped brief
    a psychoanalyst to ease a client’s urge and, since then, a subprofession for
    analysts has emerged that involves artists, writers, directors,starlets. managers and what have you. The whole celebrity pr business is a pusher’s paradise and this accounts, yes, for a thriving  and profitable market but also for our profession’s reputation….

    cheers,
    toni

    It is a growing market and I believe
    that pr’s are more responsible than others for this….

    • Judy Gombita
      Feb 28 - 10:12 am

      Fascinating response, Toni. Thank you so much for stopping by.

      I understand that this type of low-key PR profile is not a “policy” one…but I would argue that it’s probably more a “cultural” one than strictly a situational one.

      (Think back to the CPRS webinar with Maple Leaf Food’s top communications person, where she talked about its CEO, Michael McCain. Although being a spokesperson was not his first choice, he felt compelled to address the media and public directly, because of the cultural values held dear at MLF. The fact that its products had made people ill or killed them was devastating to not only the leadership, but all employees.)

      Interesting you describing having a “high profile” (whether offline or online) as being similar to a drug, including assigning the PR people as “pushers.”

      Your work in the early ’80s sounds fascinating. Heather Yaxley thinks we should encourage you to write a guest post about this topic for PR Conversations. That is, if you want the additional “social media and PR” profile….. ;-)

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